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People vs. Production

February 14, 2012

Last summer I had a chance to interview with several great churches. I thought I’d share one awkward interviewing moment.

It began with a skype video call. My interview for the campus pastor position would be with the three-pastor executive team of a growing multi-site church.

I placed the call and in moments the three pastors showed up on my computer screen. Immediately the Lead Pastor said, “Hi Mark we use the ‘simple church’ approach. Our mission is …. Tell me: What do you see as the strengths and weaknesses of our approach and our mission?”

Then I heard a loud pause and noticed there were 6 eyes staring intently at me. Their faces had just popped up on my computer screen and I was trying to take in everything my eyes were seeing like “That guy’s shirt looks cool. Why is that guy sitting like that? How do I look?”

Then my brain switched gears and I heard myself say, “I love your mission and how you define success. But I’m curious to hear how you measure it? Oh, and I love the ‘simple church’ approach.”

The pastor had asked a great question. It revealed a lot about the church and their passion. He knew my answer would reveal a lot about me. That was the goal of the interview right? But is it the complete goal?

After the interview, I felt like my production was valued more than I was.

I know the Pastor had a lot on his mind. He knew how important this interview was and he didn’t want to waste any time on “small talk”. Later I learned he really is an incredibly nice man and they had a call scheduled before and after me so their time was tight.

For me the awkwardness of this interview was feeling like my production was valued but I was not. Again, I know this is not the heart of this pastor. (In Seven Habits, Covey distinguishes production vs. production capacity.)

2 Lessons I want to learn from this:

  1. I must value people more than their production
  2. Believing Lesson #1 is not enough. I must work hard to make sure others understand I value them over their production.

From → Leadership, Ministry

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