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My former pastor and I reconcile #ForgivenessFriday

June 21, 2013

I shared my broken relationship with my former pastor HERE. Today, I’m grateful to share that we’ve recently reconciled.

Reconciling is hard! If you have a broken relationship and it’s appropriate to reconcile, I hope today’s post encourages you.

Here’s an interview with my “friend again” sharing our reconciliation process. (I ask the questions and he provides the answers.)

I was not only your Associate Pastor for 12 years, but we were pretty close friends weren’t we?

Phil Webber

Phil Webber – Bible College Professor in Boston

We met in 1994 when my family first moved to San Angelo. You were in the Air Force at the time. From the first I was impressed with you. When things began taking shape for me to assume the full leadership of the church and I began to analyze who I thought would make a great teammate you were my first, and really my only choice. You agreed to come and we worked together for at least a year before the full leadership transition took place. As time went on I came to genuinely love you and respect you. While being different people with different personalities and gift sets (for instance, you are outgoing, I’m a recluse) we seemed to have the same philosophy of ministry and quickly learned to use our differences to forge a strong team. Back in those early days it was you, my wife, and me. We were the team. And I wouldn’t have changed it for anything.

As time went by and the church grew and we added more staff, I think our relationship was viewed as special. We traveled quite a bit together, went to Friday night football games together (although you never stayed till the end), and though our families never really hung out together much, our ministry experience forged a friendship that went way beyond the office or ministry. As I told you in an early email in this process, I would have taken a bullet for you.

I know that ministry peers envied the relationship we had. We enjoyed being around each other. The tough times seemed to make us stronger. I still think you and I were the best ministry team I have ever known.

The last time we sat in your office it was clear that our relationship was ending. I remember we both said, “I hate that it’s ending this way”. That was devastating for both of us. For more than three years we didn’t communicate even though we lived in the same town. God moved me to Southern California and moved you to Boston. About eight months ago, we agreed to give reconciliation a try. 

I was afraid of digging back into those painful memories and afraid of creating new ones. What did you dread most about entering this process? 

When we came to an impasse and I said, “I think we’re through” and you walked out of my office, I felt like my world had suddenly stopped spinning on it axis. But it didn’t stop there. I relived our split every day for years. I couldn’t even think about it without bursting into tears. If anyone who watched it thought there was a winner, they were wrong. The fallout was horrific at the church. People left the church. I lost my leadership integrity even with people who stayed but viewed me with a suspicious eye for a long time after that. My greatest fear in life became running into you in public. I’m not going to lie, one of the happiest days of my life was the day I heard you had moved to California. That was a smattering of closure for me. At least the possibility of a chance meeting at Walmart was behind me.

Then we moved to Boston. Now we were on opposite sides of the nation. Even better yet!

And then I got your email. “I don’t even know what reconciliation would look like for us, but would you be willing to make the journey?” you wrote. I was surprised and scared, but I knew I had to try. If for no other reason, I was willing to take this journey for myself. The physical and emotional toll that unforgiveness and grudge-nursing had taken on me was horrific. So I said yes, if only for the hope of setting myself free.

The main thing I dreaded was rehashing everything. I knew that discussing those issues again would be brutal, and it was. But I felt like we labored until those feelings got lighter. It was the first time we had really talked (and listened) in several years.

You suggested limiting our interactions to email initially (which I think was wise for us). Here are the other guidelines we agreed to: 1) Establish the goal of being at peace with each other (vs. pressure of friendship), 2) Seek to understand the other person’s perspective, 3) Share our perspectives without finger pointing or accusations, and 4) Deal with one issue at a time. Initially, my heartbeat was so fast I thought it was going to explode as I nervously typed. Was it that emotionally charged for you?

My heart was pounding so fast I needed oxygen. The emotion involved in this was almost overwhelming at first. I had two fears: 1) That I wouldn’t be able to really communicate what I needed to say; 2) I dreaded reading your responses. I really figured one of us would say something that would ignite the whole thing over again. This didn’t start because a couple of immature people got their feelings hurt and had a spat for which neither was willing to say, “Sorry.” This was over real issues that we viewed very differently and then the fallout from it. For 3 years I thought, “I can’t believe he would do that to me” and through our communication I discovered that for 3 years you had been saying, “I can’t believe he would do that to me.” Emotionally charged doesn’t even begin to describe it. I was scared out of my mind.

We exchanged emails several times a week for a couple of months working through important issues. We didn’t agree on everything but I feel like we better understood each other’s perspectives and were able to clarify some important details. Would you agree?

What helped me the most was that early on there were apologies – on both sides. I think it indicated that our hearts were right in trying to heal deep wounds. I knew I had to get to the place that I could apologize, and I was willing to go there, but it helped immensely to know you were there also.

I knew early on in this process that we wouldn’t see eye to eye on everything, but I also knew that if I was going to achieve any semblance of peace I had to get to the point that I was okay with that. I knew that neither of us could just say, “oops, sorry” and sweep it all under the rug as if nothing had ever happened. We had to discuss some tough issues – the very ones that had divided us in the first place, and we had to get closure on them or this attempt would be a failure.

I thought that if we were going to take a stab at this we would need some pretty defined guidelines and boundaries. I thought we negotiated those well. It would take place via email (I couldn’t have done this via phone. I wasn’t there yet.) We also agreed that we would not allow reading anything into statements. It is impossible to read emotion or intent in an email, so if there were any uncertainties, we would stay at it until we got a clarification. Those happened several times. The other requirement had to be complete honesty.

I absolutely agree that we were able to clarify some important details. I think we both saw some statements and decisions that were made in a different light than before. I think we both came to understand several issues differently and gained insight and perspective that had been lost on us in the heat of the moment.

Reconciliation doesn’t mean that two people return to the same relationship. Here’s some insight from one of your emails to me:

I think there are things about those days that we would still disagree on and about, and I am perfectly okay with that. I have gotten some clarity and perspective through this quite extended exchange we have been having. My vote is that we move on and forward. We are both analytics and I suspect we could debate specific points till the cows come home, but my perspective is that would be pointless and potentially harmful, and I would like for our harmful days to be behind us. I would like for you and me to be able to do something that Paul and Barnabas were evidently unable to do: experience disagreement and hurt but move past it to a restored friendship. The mutual regrets expressed, apologies offered, and explanations given are enough for me to move past them, and I am ready to do so.

It would be unrealistic to expect the reconciliation process alone to immediately heal everything for us. However, it has helped me gain a bigger perspective about the past, about you, about us and softened my heart toward you. How has the reconciliation process helped you?

In the same way. Although anything we build from here on out will obviously be built on the foundation of  what we had before, I tend to see it more in the context of a new endeavor than a revival. We have common memories  (and I think more good than bad) but everything else has changed. We live in different places. Our ministries are different. Our families are at different stages. That is a lot of new material with which to rebuild, with 12 years of great memories and victories thrown in to season it and give it a familiar foundation.

At the end of it all, I had to come to the place I was no longer willing to let one disagreement define my relationship with you. As stated, I’m sure we will never see everything about that issue eye to eye, but was I willing to let one issue kill the 12 incredible years we spent together in ministry? My answer was no. During those years we were leading the fastest growing church in San Angelo. Every day was a new adventure. We both wear wreathes and scars from those days and  I wouldn’t have wanted to have experienced that with anyone else. I wish we had not lost those years.

We are still rebuilding our friendship and I can’t tell you how grateful I am to have you back into my life. To help display our renewed friendship, would you publicly and fully declare yourself a Dallas Cowboys’ fan?

Nope. That is where I draw the line. That loud thud you heard was me putting my foot down.

Q: What’s the difference between the Dallas Cowboys and a dollar bill?

A: You can still get 4 quarters out of a dollar bill.


From → Forgiveness, Ministry

  1. Mary Ann Leal permalink

    Thank you for sharing! I know you didn’t have too.

    Today is a Good day. I have Loved and respected both of you highly. And still do.
    You will always have a special place in our hearts.

    And My heart was heavy for both of you over this….So to read this, I rejoice.

    For me…Forgiveness Friday if Fathers Favor over both of you 🙂
    I had prayed for this day & in his tender timing…here you are.

    Bless you for sharing and setting a platform for others who may need healing too.
    I trust your testimony over your test/message you share is to aid others hurting.
    This is when the Healing begins.

    God Bless you both today and always as you both continue to share His Love and Gospel daily.
    Sending our Love to the East & West Coast,

    The Leals’

    • Thank you Mary Ann. Appreciate your kinds words. Broken relationships always produce collateral damage in others. I love this man and am eternally grateful for his input into my life. Grateful for the grace and joy of reconciliation!

  2. Mark, it is so inspiring to read how you came to this place and decided to do the really hard work of reconciling. God is smiling on both of you. Thank you for sharing and giving us an up close and honest view of what godly reconciliation looks like.

  3. Chris & Joana permalink

    Mark & Phil,

    I am so humbled by this. I know that y’all have went through some real hard times the past 3 years. It brings joy to my heart that y’all have come to a point of reconciliation. I was so pleased and encouraged by hearing this. We were driving home from vacation while Joana read. I was hung on every word. Great examples of what we should all be doing. Even though y’all have left, you still continue to teach. Thank you.

    • Thanks Chris & Joana! It encourages me that it brings your heart joy. I’m blessed by my past the wonderful people. You guys are HUGE blessings to me!

  4. H.L. Harvey permalink

    Mark and Phil, I can’t begin to tell you how much this healing goes far past the two of you and reaches the heart of this member of that congrigation. You were both so much of my life that the news of and how the split was happening, broke my heart. The news of your reconciliation is joy to my ears and heals a major wound that many of us share. I hope you know that the foundation of what you both built, in those 12 or so years, still stands today. Lifepoint has a wonderful pastor and staff to support him and us. We have people being Save,Baptized and joining the church almost every week. I pray that reconciliation could take place in the hearts and lifes of others who have left Lifepoint. So many good people have left in anger and disappointment. People that I still love very much and hope and pray that everyone of them has found a place to serve God with the same love they shared with us for such a long time. God Bless you and Phil on your road to recovering as much of the good that you once had. I love you both as brothers in Christ.Your friend H.L. Harvey PS Beverly sends her Love and says a heaty amen.

    • H.L. Harvey permalink

      Hearty not heaty. I need to proof read better.

    • Thank H.L. As we’ve corresponded since our reconciliation process (several times a week), we’ve both celebrated the good reports we hear from Lifepoint. Nothing makes us happier than hearing God blessing this church family that holds a special place in our hearts!

  5. Donna Douglas permalink

    Love you both. …always will. Sweet words~thanks for sharing.

  6. Joyce permalink

    I have no comment…..I am in tears……thanks for sharing….I loved those days because I loved you both….so thankful for this……….so so thankful………

  7. Marilyn Pennington permalink

    Mark, thank you so much for sharing this. I am so happy that you and Phil have worked through this and have reconciled. I could not read this without crying. I love you both and I was hurt when things happened as they did and felt like things would never be the same after you left. It brings such joy to my heart to know you and Phil have and will continue to work through all this. You both will always share a very special place in my heart and I rejoice with both of you now. May God continue to bless you and Phil in all you do! Love and prayers always! (Hope to see you all while you are in town visiting family!))
    Marilyn Pennington

    • Broken relationships always impact other people don’t they? I regret our broken relationship’s impact on others. However, I pray our reconciliation will be a positive impact which I why we wanted to share it. Love you Marilyn!

  8. Clare permalink

    Long standing, seemingly intractable disputes have the potential to bring out the best and worst in us. This honest, humble and painful journey is an example of God’s grace bringing out the best. Your story is incredibly encouraging to me. Your commitment to reconciliation truly brings glory to God.

    • Thanks Clare. I’m learning that my past pain is the bridge for authentic ministry. Love serving with you!

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